So many men have internalized the lie that they have uncontrollable sex drives, and no way to control their anger. They aren’t ashamed of their abusive behavior because they see it as a something natural to them and maybe even central to their masculinity. It’s scary as hell.
The actual funniest thing about characterizing Cullen as being a creepy letch over Amell/Surana?
When you find him again at the end of Broken Circle, he’s brushing off a desire demon in Amell/Surana’s form.
That’s right. Not only does he refrain from engaging with Amell/Surana because he knows his crush in inappropriate… but after several weeks of torture and demonic temptation, he remains alive because his brain is still telling him that it can never happen.
Compare and contrast with Hawke’s friends, who will betray Hawke for their desires in about five seconds, even though Hawke is literally standing right beside them.
It’s no wonder that none of the Templars in Kirkwall bitch about some jumpy young guy getting promoted directly from grunt to Knight-Captain.
Is this man even real.
#ok but cullen is a good guy at the core of him#not a Nice Guy#but a nice guy who’s been fuckin tortured#and yes he has a huge amount of power over amell/surana and it’s implied or outright stated elsewhere in the series that templars forcing themselves on mages isnt unusual but HE DOESN’T#he knows it is wrong and so he runs away from amell/surana#turns away the desire demon which must mean it’s less a crush and more like (enforced) unrequited love#not because she refuses him but because he refuses to put her in that position#and after all the mess that was the broken circle he still thinks meredith is being extreme and ultimately wrong just nine years later#i’m gonna romance that ramen haired knight so hard (via styliferous )
this really reminds me of people who look at a guy who doesn’t rape or force himself on a woman and says stuff like ‘we should be nice to the females’ and then applaud him as some hero for it while forgetting everything else he was complicit in. so let me be the one to remind everyone *cracks knuckles*
let’s not forget that he was the one who was assigned to be Amell’s/Surana’s executioner if she’d failed her Harrowing, introduces himself to her as such, and all he has to say about it is “It’s nothing personal, I swear! I’m just glad you’re alright” (x). if she asks him if he would’ve gone through with it, he tells her “I would’ve felt terrible about it, but I serve the Chantry and the Maker and I will do as I am commanded” (x)
let’s not forget that the language he uses to mumble about his infatuation with Amell/Surana when she stumbles upon him upon returning to the Circle is dehumanizing and honestly kind of disgusting (“tempting me with the one thing I always wanted but could never have… using my shame against me… my ill-advised infatuation with her… a mage, of all things”: x)
let’s not forget that as soon as Amell/Surana returns to the Circle and finds him, he tries to convince her to kill every mage left under suspicion that they might all be blood mages (x). you know, mages like her. that she’d lived with for years. if she hadn’t been away from the Circle and absent when the crisis happened, do you really think she would’ve been exempt from suspicion too? if you refuse to, he even implies that, were he not trapped, he would attempt to “directly influence your actions” and “deal with the mages [himself]” (x)
let’s not also forget that after what happened at the Circle of Ferelden, he completely abandons any sympathy he ever had for mages, sees the fault as entirely theirs (and not a product of the system which cages and traps them; casual reminder that everything Uldred did was motivated by the promise of a freer Circle), and goes on to become a militant templar Knight-Captain in Kirkwall and Meredith’s second-in-command. and we all know what happened under her rule, what she and he allowed to happen
sure, at some point he starts talking about how he’s starting to doubt Meredith (Meredith, not the Order) and disagrees with the path she’s taking, but not before he tries to feed Hawke all this bullshit about how mages don’t deserve to be treated like people for the whole rest of the game:
- "Mages cannot be our friends; they must always be watched." (Act 1: x)
- "Mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you and me." (Act 1: x)
- "I would not have liked her [Meredith] when I was younger. I thought mages deserved a softer touch. But Meredith is never fooled by a sweet face. She always sees the demon behind it." (Act 1: x)
- [about being a Templar] “It is a losing battle. Every day new mages are born in Thedas. Every day, those born a dozen years ago come into their power. Best we can do is to contain the threat.” (Act 1: x)
- "The Harrowing has served us well enough for centuries. It will be up to mages themselves whether they push us to more stringent measures." (Act 2: x)
- [when pressed if he supports the ‘Tranquil solution’] ”The Tranquil ritual was created as a mercy so that mages need not be killed out of hand for a threat they might pose. There is an argument to be made for applying it more widely.” (Act 2: x)
- [when asked which side he thinks the Grand Cleric will support] ”She is bound by faith and duty to support the templars. We have dominance over mages by divine right.” (Act 3: x)
- "The Right of Annulment was invoked on the Circle in Ferelden, when I was younger. There, it was justified. Demons overran the whole tower.” (Act 3: x)
- Although he comes to question Meredith herself, there is never any evidence that he doubts or does not support the purpose of the Templars as an organization, and still seems to believe in it as much as he always has. He justifies his doubt of Meredith by treating her acts as separate from the true will of the Order. (Act 3: x)
- When he finally turns against Meredith, it is only when she’s threatening Hawke specifically, and uses his authority to relieve her of her command because “this is not what the Order stands for”. (Act 3: x)
whether or not he acted like a letch towards Amell/Surana is kind of irrelevant to the awful, terrifying dynamic inherent to his desire of her, especially when considering his attitude regarding the rest of her people
what he saw and went through at the Fereldan Circle was torturous and traumatizing and awful but it was a consequence of the system itself which is designed to oppress mages and is incomparable to what is inflicted on mages daily—but he doesn’t recognize that. it’s no justification for his behavior and attitudes towards them (including Amell/Surana) and implying that feels kind of scary to me (i can think of a number of real-world parallels)
Cullen’s always been a Templar through and through. The only change of heart we saw him have by the end of DA2 was on his opinion of Meredith, not on mages or the Circle or the Chantry or the Order
you can all love and romance him if you want, I actually think he’s an interesting character and I like analyzing him, but pretending he’s some sort of great guy kind of freaks me out because I see this sort of attitude applied to “nice” guys IRL all the time when they don’t deserve it
we’ll see how he turns out in Inquisition since there’s implications that he might be starting to turn away from the Order, but as his record stands so far I don’t really expect him to get along well with my mage Inquisitor lmfao
cecil breaking into wzzz with a case of wine and a copy of some nights
cecil hoarding puppies after an infestation and choking back a sob when animal control comes to take them away. goddamn it palmer you do this every time
cecil cutting out pictures from magazines (fashion and otherwise) and lining the inside of his closet with them
cecil as a teen listening to leonard burton’s show and feeling such a thrill at saying “GREETINGS…FROM NIGHT VALE” in perfect time with his hero
cecil as a young man travelling through europe and looking up at the clearest, quietest night sky he’s ever seen, feeling a twinge of homesickness both for his night vale and for a place he’s never visited
cecil gershwin palmer